Posts by Double Dee

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To mymailmum

by individuals wife in

mymailmum.

yet again i am reading your stock answers to new posters... with all respect - cant you come up with anything new?

obviously you are working on repetition for emphasis this week in your ministry school - only it wont work here i'm afraid!

It would appear to me that MYMAILMUM has lived a sheltered life in "the truth". She reminds me of my mum......just like PollyAnna (remember the disney movie?). Always cheerful and full of hope, my mom would say things like- just wait on Jehovah and he will take care of it. Just go to the "brothers" and they will help you. Trust in Jehovah. Jehovah will bring justice. Wait on Jehovah. It's easier to repeat what is drilled in your head than to really think for oneself. (Love your screen name thinks41self ) I remember saying those things---so many times over and over that after awhile, it felt like words, not from the heart. And you know what, I almost lost my life believing them.

Stop being an ostrich and take your head out of the sand. Take a minute (or longer if you can) and really listen to the pain and suffering that you see here. Maybe you have not encountered any for yourself yet, but trials and tribulations do come eventually.

Try to see us here as REAL PEOPLE. We have feelings and pain and now for many, real happiness. We are not here for you to count your time on. I was a pioneer for 12 years, so I do know how it is.

MYMAILMUM, I have no desire to abuse you for your beliefs. Everyone has a a right to choose. But please, take your judgemental outbursts somewhere else.

In the first week that I was first married--to a pioneer turned Bethelite-I discovered that I had married an abusive person. After 10 years of waiting on Jehovah, talking to the brothers, and basically being "the humble submissive wife", I was a broken, beaten, emotionally brow-beaten person after having received no help. Funny thing is....blessings abounded after I got out of that situation. And yes, my situation was dire....the ex threatened to decapitate my parents, etc etc etc, beat and raped me, etc etc. All this while being an elder, bethelite and/or pioneer. So, while I am happy for you if you have not experienced anything like the things we have, please respect our pain.

So, until you are able to develop the empathy that our Heavenly Father created us with, please spare us the brow-beatings. I wish you the best....

Dee

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Another example of JW Kindness

by AMarie in

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friends

i am really really upset right now.

i just got off of the phone with my jw sister, who lives in seattle.. she just recently moved there last summer when she married her husband, tim.

lara, my sister, is a jw and her husband is not.

Double Dee

Oh yeah, I agree with you Roy! I work in the health field. My entire witness family shuns me for a year....then when somebody in the family gets cancer, they called me for help! You're right, it hurts. It's that whole conditional love thing they have going on.

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Ridiculous trips to the 'back room'

by Esmeralda in

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the posts in the elders meeting thread got me thinking about this, so i've spun it off for into another thread.. were you ever 'counseled' because "some" in the congregation were disturbed by things you said/did/listened to/watched?.

here is just some of the stupid stuff that the elders brought me in on.

though they were usually handled through shepherding calls, not in the back room at the kh.. 1: because i decided to change my first and middle names.

Double Dee

I remember being called into the "little room" so many times as a teenager that I can't even remember all the reasons. Was this because I was a rebellious kid? No, I was know as the "goody-two-shoes" of the hall. I was dragged in every week, just about, because the "bad" kids would accuse me of all kinds of things, from punching them, to calling them names, to stealing from them....blah blah blah. But instead of the elders telling these parents what kind of kids they had, I got dragged in all the time. The elders and my father, would always force me to appologize! For what, I don't know, but I was always the one that was wrong some how. They would admit they lied, but it was because I "gave them a look" or something. So then they would counsel me! Very rarely did I ever see those kids get any real counsel, but because I was baptised, I somehow had to sit and listent to how I was supposed to conduct myself-again!

I hated the "little room".

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Counting Time... Is It Part Of The Rot?

by ballistic in

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how many here have pioneered?.

be honest, what was predominantly on your mind, telling people this wonderfull good news or was it counting time?.

an elder once said to me, "you know, it's strange how when pioneers quit pioneering, they're hours don't stay the same, they don't gradually diminish and they don't even drop by half... they drop practically to nothing.".

Double Dee

Pioneered for 12 years (with stint at Bethel in between).

Loved the breaks.....but more than that, loved doing RV's (return visits) when somebody got into a home for a long time..... took naps, talked, etc.

Counting time is such an issue.... the whole reason you would go out was 'cause you needed that last few hours! I started out wanting to do the right thing and really reach people. But after awhile, it became a part of my life that just made me feel guilty all the time. There was never enough time in the day without doing all the shortcuts that were mentioned previously. You would never make your time if you did not do a call first and just keep your time going all day.....no matter what!

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JW Response to NGO/UN info

by Andrew Farrell in

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following is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.

it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.

andrew,.

Double Dee

Hawkaw,

I did not get to ask my dad anything....he pretty much shut down the conversation.... too bad. But I agree, patience. Maybe he will mull it over and draw some conclusions, or maybe he won't like the ones he is fed. Doubt it though---he is in it for the long haul! Thanks for the response.

Dee

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DON'T MISQUOTE UN-DPI WEBPAGE!

by MadApostate in

below is the first heading from the un-dpi-ngo webpage.. i have noticed that folks here have misquoted this section several times.. please read this carefully!.

what is an ngo?.

a non-governmental organization (ngo) is any non-profit, voluntary citizens' group which is organized on a local, national or international level.

Double Dee

OOPS! Don't know how I posted the message twice! Sorry guys!

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DON'T MISQUOTE UN-DPI WEBPAGE!

by MadApostate in

below is the first heading from the un-dpi-ngo webpage.. i have noticed that folks here have misquoted this section several times.. please read this carefully!.

what is an ngo?.

a non-governmental organization (ngo) is any non-profit, voluntary citizens' group which is organized on a local, national or international level.

Double Dee

MA,

Thank you for your reminders.... but regardless of all the ways the NGO's relate to the UN, it is enough for me to just see the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society listed in full view on the same list with all the other religions that, in their view, make up the the "Harlot".

To me, it is just another example of how they say to not be part of the world, but don't mind using it to their own ends. They really can't go wrong if you think about it! They have so many code words like "theocratic warfare" and "caesars things to caesar" blah blah blah to just explain away their wickedness.

My guess would be that they will announce that:

"Many have taken issue with the fact that the WTBS is listed with the NGO's of the UN. Fortunately, we do not run ahead of Jehovah's direction to the Governing Body and realize that His spirit directed organization is following the lead of that spirit. Many times God's people have had to deceive others in the course of accomplishing Jehovah's purpose. For example, Jacob had to deceive his father so that he would gain the birthright from his brother Esau........."
GAG GAG, PUKE PUKE, YUCK YUCK..........

And those poor pitiful people will believe it! (sigh)

Dee

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DON'T MISQUOTE UN-DPI WEBPAGE!

by MadApostate in

below is the first heading from the un-dpi-ngo webpage.. i have noticed that folks here have misquoted this section several times.. please read this carefully!.

what is an ngo?.

a non-governmental organization (ngo) is any non-profit, voluntary citizens' group which is organized on a local, national or international level.

Double Dee

MA,

Thank you for your reminders.... but regardless of all the ways the NGO's relate to the UN, it is enough for me to just see the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society listed in full view on the same list with all the other religions that, in their view, make up the the "Harlot".

To me, it is just another example of how they say to not be part of the world, but don't mind using it to their own ends. They really can't go wrong if you think about it! They have so many code words like "theocratic warfare" and "caesars things to caesar" blah blah blah to just explain away their wickedness.

My guess would be that they will announce that:

"Many have taken issue with the fact that the WTBS is listed with the NGO's of the UN. Fortunately, we do not run ahead of Jehovah's direction to the Governing Body and realize that His spirit directed organization is following the lead of that spirit. Many times God's people have had to deceive others in the course of accomplishing Jehovah's purpose. For example, Jacob had to deceive his father so that he would gain the birthright from his brother Esau........."
GAG GAG, PUKE PUKE, YUCK YUCK..........

And those poor pitiful people will believe it! (sigh)

Dee

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JW Response to NGO/UN info

by Andrew Farrell in

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friends

following is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.

it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.

andrew,.

Double Dee

Andrew,

Thanks for posting that response. I just got done telling my father, carefully, about the WT and NGO etc. Your responsefrom your friend helps me realize that my father is not alone in his lack of reasoning ability.

He did say that he found it hard to believe that it was true. I told him I was looking at the internet site and there they are. Told him I called and confirmed it and gave the ph# and MsOca's name as the contact person I talked to and confirmed the info. It took about 1 second after that for him to explain that while he did not know about them being and NGO, he was sure they had a good reason. He likened it to being a citizen of a country.... just because you are a citizen doesn't make you unclean. When I pointed out that it is not like they were just there, they had to join by filling out lengthy paperwork, he said that their being NGO's doesn't make them part of the UN if they stay neutral!!!!

I explained that I was deeply upset by the fact that I preached for years that the UN was the Beast the Harlot rode on and to see that the WT is listed on the same list as those other religions the WT condemns for being there was too much for me to bear. He suggested that if it bothered me, I should write the society and see what they have to say. I told him that I would be surprised if they would answer me since I am df'd. He said that was all he could suggest I do.

That was it--mind closed, conversation over. He had to go.

Wow..... he just did not even see it! All I can say is.... I see it, I am disgusted and glad to have had my eyes opened up!

Love,
Dee

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children of the watchtower

by kdk in

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i have an 8yr old step-daughter caught up in the madness of the jws through unrelenting fear based brainwashing by her mother.

my husband and i would like to know if anyone has been in a similar situation and is able to help us let her know that there is another more loving way of living in this world.

its frightening to see the damage my husbands ex is doing to this inocent little girls mind.

Double Dee

kdk,

I just wanted to say that you should never give up and lose hope that your step daughter will see things clearly one day. No matter how young, children have a huge sense of justice. They pick up on all the tensions and differences so easily. My daughter, now 15, has finally stood up to her father and told him she does not want to be a witness after years of trying to please him by living 2 lives. She saw the differences in her fathers life and in mine. Your step daughter will see these things too.

I so agree with all of the other posts.....I don't know how much better I could say it. But the issue of UNconditional love is HUGE! That was the straw that broke the camels back for my daughter. Her step dad and I would remind her all the time that we love her unconditionally. This supported her when she finally told her Father that she did not want to be a witness. He basically did the whole guilt trip thing and told her that things would be different between them and that he would not see her as much. She then asked him that if like Abraham, if God told him to kill her, would he? He said yes! She told him she wanted him to just love her, unconditionally, not only if she goes to the KH> He told her that God's love for us is conditional upon our doing his will and so he is only trying to be like God!!!!!!! She knew this to be untrue as I had always reinforced that God loves all unconditionally--as seen by the fact that he sent his only son to die for "the whole world" - not just for JW's.

She still tries to please him somewhat....probably will until she is an adult anyway. Children just want to be loved. Make your home the most loving and accepting place for her and she will always see it as a warm haven and will always want to come back to you. She will be able to compare her life experiences with her father and see the contrast in what love really is.

All my love and prayers,
Dee